[00:00:00.430] - Helen Reynolds
Welcome to the More Love Podcast with Helen Reynolds, where we uncover the innate power held within each of us that's been withheld for thousands of years. This power is innately and rightly yours that it's been hidden, lied about and taken from you. If you want your freedom and your power to create back, this is the podcast for you. Hit subscribe, settle in and enjoy. In today's episode, I'm sharing it with Judy Carroll. Thank you, Judy, for joining me again on the More Love Podcast.
[00:00:36.770] - Judy Carroll
Thank you for having me again, Helen. It's a great pleasure.
[00:00:40.450] - Helen Reynolds
I had wonderful feedback from our last conversation. I won't give you a huge introduction, but clearly you're an author is the most recent book, the Extraterrestrial Presence on Earth.
[00:00:52.370] - Judy Carroll
It's my latest hard copy print book, but I've had two others that are up as ebooks, which is An Interview with an Alien and Cosmic Spirituality blending religion and science in wonder. I've always got to think of those subtitles. I'll forget them.
[00:01:12.690] - Helen Reynolds
I liked that book, actually. We spoke about that a little bit in the previous conversation.
[00:01:18.510] - Judy Carroll
[00:01:19.490] - Helen Reynolds
And just for new listeners who might be new to this conversation, haven't heard our previous conversation. You have dual planetary consciousness and so both Earth human and Zeta Grey consciousness.
[00:01:34.430] - Judy Carroll
Yes, that's right, Helen. Yeah. This was a pre-birth choice that I made coming into this life because I wanted to work as an ambassador between the two races.
[00:01:46.050] - Helen Reynolds
Yeah. And you're doing a really good job.
[00:01:48.930] - Judy Carroll
[00:01:51.450] - Helen Reynolds
So we talked more about that in the previous conversation. So we're just going to take that as a given this time and draw on some of your ET resources and contacts and higher perspectives on the Earth situation at the moment. So it's going to be a great conversation. So we're going to kick off with a blog that I recently wrote. And it's a little story about how during the time of the floods here in Southeast Queensland just a couple of weeks ago, I went back to the mainstream media to see updates on the floods and the weather reports and what people were doing to help. And oh my gosh, it was despicable and unbearable kind of journalism. So I turned it off. I ended up back on Telegram and got hooked into the stories about Putin saving the world and clearing out the American Biolabs out of the Ukraine and all this really alternative perspective on the war in the Ukraine, which I thought was quite a breath of fresh air, you know, if there was some hope in the situation and maybe the war wasn't all futile and he wasn't going to kill thousands of civilians and so on.
[00:03:09.270] - Helen Reynolds
And I found it quite addictive. I ended up on Telegram more and more and more, and suddenly the words popped into my consciousness. What if this version of the story isn't true either? What if neither of them are true? And that caught my attention and at first, I defended myself for reading the news and getting I'd really sort of grasped a hold of this version of the story. But in the grasping of the story, I simultaneously will, after I defended myself and my higher self said, no, defence isn't good enough here. You really have to look at this. I discovered that in the grasping the alternative version of the war story, I had lost my wholeheartedness and therefore I dropped out of my heart space and back into the material world. So I thought that's a really nice place to start the conversation because you're much better practised at staying in the hearts space and you have some opinions about this experience, that's for sure.
[00:04:25.360] - Judy Carroll
Helen. Yes, I know that a lot of people turn to the alternative media, but oh boy, you can really get lost down in a rabbit warren. I've had actually quite a lot of experience with them coming from the off planet perspective and the massive amount of disinformation put out on the greys by online media. So I don't trust them much more than I trust the mainstream media. I'm afraid from my own experience, I've experienced both and they're both as bad as each other.
[00:04:57.930] - Helen Reynolds
I was grasping onto a story that I felt had hope in it, but it's still much of the alternate media still has an underlying fear basis for their articles, doesn't it?
[00:05:14.220] - Judy Carroll
Absolutely. Well, it's interesting, Helen, because Maris, my tall grey teacher, sent something through just a couple of days ago because I was getting into the same state and not knowing where to turn. And I said, in desperation, Maris, please, will you help to clarify this in my mind? He'd already told me that there are two groups in opposition with each other down here, and they're both motivated by the off planet. I mean, the repterran, I should say controllers through extreme political wings. But he took it a little bit further. I've actually put this together for the podcast my friend Paula Jane and I co host put up on our YouTube channel.
[00:05:56.900] - Helen Reynolds
The Just Love series for anyone who wants to look it up.
[00:06:00.520] - Judy Carroll
Okay, Helen, what I'd like to do, I'd actually like to share this teaching message that Maris gave me here. So it's coming from here and also through our podcast channel. The main thing is what he said is it's way deeper than what's been put across by the mainstream media. At the same time, alternative media sources don't have the full story either, and are carrying out their usual hype of stirring up even more fear, anger and divisiveness, which is exactly what the planetary controllers want. They've used this divide and conquer agenda on Earth for millennia, since biblical times and before. The key is to understand that there are actually three layers of reality being played out here.
[00:06:45.400] - Helen Reynolds
Oh, my gosh.
[00:06:47.230] - Judy Carroll
Quite a number of people on Earth are waking up to the fact that the majority of humanity has been and is being controlled and brainwashed by the ones known as the Cabal, Illuminati, planetary Controllers, Repterrans whatever you want to call them, who in turn operate through both left and right wing political extremism and also through fundamentalist religion and science. These are the two layers of work down here in 3D. The controllers and the controlled. However, overriding this whole scenario is a third layer, the cosmic force. This force is nonpolarized, so it's reality is balance and oneness. This is why higher off planet cultures refer to it as Oneness, Source and Cosmic Consciousness. It does not express the lower human emotions and vices of jealousy, judgement and a need to be praised and worshipped, as does the so called God of the Old Testament, which humans have created in their own image. This is only a shadow of the higher reality of Oneness. True Oneness simply is. Everything that happens on Earth or elsewhere in the Cosmos has its beginnings at this higher level of pure potential. Every being in the Cosmos is subject to it as being pure consciousness it is at the core of us all.
[00:08:09.270] - Judy Carroll
How much we open ourselves and tap into it is dependent upon our free will. As nonpolarized energy it is balance and oneness, both of which best express as unconditional love. Imbalance is expressed through the lack of unconditional love. In other words, fear, which is expressed through xenophobia, racism, religious prejudice, divisiveness, separation and ego. This fear cannot exist at the 5D level to which Earth as we know it is shifting. Fifth world consciousness does not encompass such polarity as it is more attuned to oneness and balance. The planetary controllers are of course fighting to maintain their control, but they too, even more than controlled humanity, are being put to the test - their Armageddon has come. Humanity is slowly awakening. Chaos is the result. But change is happening, with death providing a portal and opening to a higher state of being for many souls at this time. We do understand the difficulty that many humans have with the concept of death because of the wrong teachings and beliefs that have been force fed to humanity by the planetary controllers through their religions based on judgement and fear. True religion is only unconditional love.
[00:09:28.430] - Judy Carroll
Oneness in balance is the overriding and eternal force in the universe. Everything must return to a state of oneness and balance. In the end, it can be no other way. That's what he's had to say about it.
[00:09:43.570] - Helen Reynolds
Well, we just finished the podcast there, shall we? I mean, just hit repeat and listen again. That was amazing.
[00:09:51.850] - Judy Carroll
It blew me away when it came through. He woke me up at 04:00 in the morning to do it. Which he usually doesn't do, he usually respects the fact that I like my sleep. He said, come on, this is important.
[00:10:06.350] - Helen Reynolds
Well, where to start? There's so much in that. So he basically said that the planetary controllers have polarised because that was the previous message, wasn't it? They've polarised and started fighting within themselves.
[00:10:21.110] - Judy Carroll
[00:10:21.990] - Helen Reynolds
They're really being pushed, aren't they?
[00:10:24.160] - Judy Carroll
They are, yeah. The ones that I really referred to as the controllers are sort of behind the two groups down here who are fighting with each other. So it's almost like they're pushing the fight from both sides. It's really hard to put into words, but that's what's happening.
[00:10:41.720] - Helen Reynolds
If I was listening, the question that would come to my mind would be, does that mean that the controllers that we see on Earth, like Biden and Scott Morrison? Sorry. And Trudeau and so on and so on, that they're controlled by off planet controllers?
[00:11:01.620] - Judy Carroll
Yes. They're not actually off planet. They're an ancient Earth human species. I refer to them as the Repterrans. They're reptoid species that was created back at the time of the dinosaurs. They had very high technology from the ones who seeded them down here. And they basically hijacked the plant and enslaved humanity right back in biblical times. The serpent in the Garden of Eden. That's the story of them taking over and interfering with this younger human race that was being created, which is today's humanity. And they've kept them enslaved ever since through their divide and conquer agenda.
[00:11:40.290] - Helen Reynolds
Yeah, I think we talked about that last time and that humans were offered free will too soon.
[00:11:53.690] - Judy Carroll
Yes. At the same time, people need to be tested for free will. We have to take free will and use it to choose between love and fear. So it is a very necessary component down here.
[00:12:05.690] - Helen Reynolds
Is that the two levels that Maris was referring to and then the third level is us?
[00:12:11.310] - Judy Carroll
Yes. The third level is beyond the Reptilian.
[00:12:15.650] - Helen Reynolds
Oh, that's right.
[00:12:16.460] - Judy Carroll
The one that's beyond the cosmic level.
[00:12:18.920] - Helen Reynolds
How could I make that mistake?
[00:12:21.130] - Judy Carroll
Don't worry. It's so confusing.
[00:12:22.990] - Helen Reynolds
Yeah, well, that experience that's in my blog really made it clear to me that I have to disengage from the story and just focus on the Oneness. And feeling that warmth and love and openness in my heart and joining with the oneness above all else that will help so important.
[00:12:43.610] - Judy Carroll
Because what people need to realise we create our own reality through the way we think. And that's what Maris and all the other higher teachers keep pushing. We must start to create positivity rather than negativity. So every time we engage with all this stuff, we create a lot more negativity that just builds it.
[00:13:02.510] - Helen Reynolds
Well, I think in the message Maris said, it creates anger and division and judgement because you can't read one of those articles and not end up thinking worse of someone, whether it's Scott Morrison or Biden or Trudeau or Putin or whoever.
[00:13:23.130] - Judy Carroll
[00:13:24.190] - Helen Reynolds
You can't walk away from reading one of those articles and think that one isn't worse than the other.
[00:13:30.490] - Judy Carroll
Exactly. And the planetary controllers, repterrans and they're coming from fear, too, to have this desperate need to control humanity. So again, they're out of balance.
[00:13:41.420] - Helen Reynolds
I heard a really nice explanation for them. I'll just try and repeat it as best I can. So the explanation was there is only one creator who can create. So creation is the expansion, the new. How else can you say the expansion and the new evolution? Yeah. And so the controllers are not creators because they're not creators, because there is only one creator. They have to harvest energy essentially, or pull it from us, which is why they need the fear and which is why they need the anger and the judgement and the.
[00:14:30.800] - Judy Carroll
[00:14:31.550] - Helen Reynolds
All those agitating emotions.
[00:14:34.030] - Judy Carroll
Yes. Because that's what they feed on. They feed on fear and anger. Yes, that's right, exactly. Because you can't be a creator unless you come from oneness. Oneness is the energy behind creation and we're all on some level we're training to become creative beings or part of the creator being, I should say. But the controls are trying to hold humanity back because to become one with the creator being is empowerment. So that's why they've tried to keep us in disempowerment, so that they can keep control down here.
[00:15:09.170] - Helen Reynolds
And I think that leads into or coalesces with why people like me when we're looking for that sense of beingness that we know inside us and we just can't find it in the material world, it's like we're simultaneously yearning for love as well as just desperate to get our power to create back.
[00:15:34.400] - Judy Carroll
Yes, I think so many people on Earth are the same. I mean, this is what drives people into addictions, because on the deepest level of our being, we know that there's something more out there and we desperately want to link with it, but we don't know how because that ability has been taken away from us. And so a lot of people then turn to addictions and things to try and satisfy that deep need inside their own heart.
[00:16:01.610] - Helen Reynolds
Or to quell it, or at least numb it.
[00:16:03.510] - Judy Carroll
Yeah, exactly. And this is where the ET's feel so very sorry when they see this happening. I mean, we feel so sorry for Earth plane humanity that they can't wake up and see us. And this is why a lot of people, when they're first contacted by the ET, the first thing the ET says to them is it's time for you to wake up. I mean, I remember saying that to people in my grey form and that's what the wake up is. Come on, wake up. You've got the God force within you. Wake up to your own empowerment.
[00:16:34.060] - Helen Reynolds
Well, it's a wild ride. As you wake up, however it's so worth it. Life becomes simpler, everything becomes easier. You return to that inner guidance and the mainstream media has no hold on you anymore. I mean, it was an absolute piece of cake to turn that crap back off again last week or whenever two weeks. Time flies. But you know, I lasted about ten minutes. I just couldn't bear it. And it was so easy to turn it off. Whereas turning it off the first time, all those years ago.
[00:17:10.380] - Judy Carroll
I was like, oh.
[00:17:11.020] - Helen Reynolds
But I'll be missing out on the news. What will happen if I miss out on the news? I won't know what's going on around me, but something still made me do it. But it was much harder to do.
[00:17:22.990] - Judy Carroll
Yeah, it's just another addiction, really. When you think about it, it's an addiction too. So many people are addicted to drama and fear. And this is why all the horror movies and the horror stories about evil aliens coming to invade earth. People love that. They link into it. If you speak out about all the greys are just here to try and help us. They've got a great sense of humour. People think, oh, that's boring, that I can't be right. They'd rather listen to the negative stuff.
[00:17:57.250] - Helen Reynolds
And it's interesting that Maris put death the importance of understanding death in that message. I don't know, three or four podcasts back, I did an episode on Death with Claire Goldsberry, who's written a lovely book titled The Illusion of Life and Death.
[00:18:15.610] - Judy Carroll
Oh brilliant, love it. Love it. Yeah. It's been so badly handled down here on Earth. I mean, when the controllers, the Emperor's Constantine and Justinian, took Christianity out of the hands of Jesus, who was here to teach the proper thing, they took it over, took reincarnation out of the teachings which Jesus taught. And I mean, that was one of those they talk about the original sin. That was the original sin. When teachings of reincarnation were taken out of Christianity in Church scripture. Because understanding reincarnation is a step towards oneness. Because when you can remember having lived lives in all the different countries down here and off planet all over, you begin to be able to empathise with people of different nationalities and cultures and planets, et cetera. And then to put the fear of death into people by this judgmental, God figure and Hellfire and everything. I went to a convent as a child, so I was fed that big time. So, no wonder people are terrified of the thought of dying.
[00:19:24.280] - Helen Reynolds
And then if you're not terrified of the judgement of the Pearly gates, then the flip argument is that you can't go to heaven unless you die. So it's no wonder so many people think on Earth think that suicide seems like a viable option when your life seems so hellish on Earth.
[00:19:45.990] - Judy Carroll
[00:19:46.800] - Helen Reynolds
Heaven is only available after death anyway, which is a lie if anyone's listening - that's NOT true.
[00:19:54.590] - Judy Carroll
And the other thing that people who don't have any belief system, they think that you're just going to blank out and cease to exist. They don't realise that we are way more than a physical body. The physical body is such a small component of the whole soul self that consciousness is carried on after death.
[00:20:11.350] - Helen Reynolds
And could we say that it was that consciousness that triggered our physical form in the first place.
[00:20:17.970] - Judy Carroll
Yes, because the soul creates a physical form to have physical experience which is just part of this growth, which leads to evolution growth for the whole of the Cosmos, because in reality, we're all one.
[00:20:33.170] - Helen Reynolds
That was another question. How do you explain that the Repterrans and the controllers are part of a loving and benevolent creation?
[00:20:45.560] - Judy Carroll
Okay, because we're creators down here and training schools planet as a school planet, and our lesson is to learn to create in positivity rather than the negativity. So we need to have the negative side of things presented to us so that we can make the choice. Opposites are important. Like, we wouldn't understand warmth and appreciate warmth if we didn't understand cold, we wouldn't appreciate daylight if we didn't understand the darkness at night. And it's exactly the same thing. We can't appreciate positivity unless we've experienced negativity. So it's like that sets up the ability for us to make the choice between the two. Both have to be offered.
[00:21:30.230] - Helen Reynolds
One of the teachers who's extremely well known on the planet, Abraham Hicks or Esther Hicks, she often talks about the learnings that come out of the contrast. It's the same thing, isn't it?
[00:21:44.190] - Judy Carroll
Yeah, that's right. Contrast is needed on a planet like Earth and Planet Earth is right down the bottom of the human ladder with Greys talk about ten levels. We can only access about 10% of our potential conscious awareness. So it is hugely polarised. It's one of the most polarised planets in the universe. So because of that, it's like Harvard University or Cambridge University. It's a brilliant school planet because of this polarity and contrast that offer.
[00:22:13.000] - Helen Reynolds
So I think that plays into the fact that many of us are really sensitive to it. People can wake up feeling the pain and burden of what's going on in the Ukraine at the moment, and they don't know why - their home in Australia or wherever they are in the world, they're safe. They've woken up in their own bed, they've got food and water and electricity. They're perfectly safe. Yet they feel this incredible burden of what's going on in the world. Yeah, I think we're sort of tuned in more than we realise.
[00:22:48.050] - Judy Carroll
We operate in oneness. That's what unconditional love is about. It's about oneness. And every human being on Earth is intrinsically linked to every other human being. We're all part of each other just the same as we're all part of the planet. Same thing, part of the Cosmos.
[00:23:08.150] - Helen Reynolds
If we came here as an educational planet, we would have kept our feeling. Our ability to sense would have been part of our choice, wouldn't it? Because that would speed up our education, so to speak. We won't go too far down that path because there's a few little windy cracks in that one. There's another path with bigger windy cracks.
[00:23:35.550] - Judy Carroll
Oh, my goodness. Goody.
[00:23:43.150] - Helen Reynolds
This thought has been rolling through my brain. What would I say if I met Scott Morrison? And of course, many unpolite, unrepeatable things came to mind initially. And then I started to wonder if this thing that people maybe not him, but there are people in the world that worship a Satan, if that is true. I thought to myself how disappointed they must be when they discover that there isn't a Satan and that there isn't a Hell.
[00:24:20.230] - Judy Carroll
[00:24:24.310] - Helen Reynolds
I thought you might be able to give some extra information and maybe some clarity around that.
[00:24:29.860] - Judy Carroll
Yeah, well, from what I can see, this is where fundamentalist Christianity comes from. They're very caught up in 3D. They're people who desperately want something more, which we all do. I mean, that's natural, but they are very tunnel vision in that they can't move past the 3D. And so this is why a lot of the Bible has been misinterpreted on a 3D level, whereas it's actually much higher with much higher frequency teachings in it. The old hell fire and Satan. And that all Satan is. It's the energy of fear, as opposed to what we could say Christ Consciousness within our being or cosmic consciousness. And people tend to. Those who are thinking that way tend to not link into their cosmic consciousness. They sort of have the door closed because we have to open it. It's a free will choice. And because fear and drama are so addictive, they're caught up in that and then they tend to spread it out to others around them. Does that sort of make sense?
[00:25:34.210] - Helen Reynolds
But fear is the thing that's. Well, as you said, totally made up. It's not part of creation, it's the absence of love.
[00:25:45.010] - Judy Carroll
Exactly. And see, people have to understand when we're talking about fear, we're not talking about being scared of a poisonous snake or something like that. That sort of fear is okay, that protects us. It's fear of racism, prejudice, religious prejudice, xenophobia, fear of people who are different. And this is then carried off planet to be what my publisher calls cosmic racism, so that any off planet race who doesn't look normal human is immediately labelled as being demons or evil or something. The Grey's are a classic example of that. It's just pure cosmic racism.
[00:26:23.000] - Helen Reynolds
One of the people who make a huge contribution to the A Course of Love community. I watched a snippet of a video with this person this morning and I just thought, wow, look at him in human form. He looked so much like a Grey to me. He had really dark eyes that were just not narrow and tiny mouth. He's a very handsome man. He doesn't look peculiar at all, but I just really felt like he's a Grey in human form.
[00:26:56.590] - Judy Carroll
Very likely he is. There's far more of us down here than people realise.
[00:27:00.790] - Helen Reynolds
And he's making a wonderful contribution to the expansion of Love energy.
[00:27:05.250] - Judy Carroll
Yeah, he's probably got a lot of physical genetics from the Zeta Reticulum in his make up. That's why he looks so much like that. I know someone else like that. He's a very highly evolved soul and they look so grey. A couple of people.
[00:27:23.470] - Helen Reynolds
What else did Maris cover in that message?
[00:27:26.620] - Judy Carroll
Well, now he's working on talking about the climate change thing, because again, they're hyping up a lot of fear that it's the controllers who are controlling the climate and doing things. But he actually sent a whole teaching through on this. I haven't got it with me here. But what he's saying is that a lot of the problem with what's behind climate change is the fact that, again, planet Earth is so out of balance because of all the patriarchal control that's been around for so many millennia and it's thrown the planet out of balance. Anyone who has done any study in Eastern medical things like Reiki or Acupuncture or Reflexology or anything like that understands that we all have an energy body. We're not just a physical form, we have an energy body. This is what acupuncturists use when they stick their needles in and they stick their needles into acupuncture points through the body. Planet Earth herself has an energy body. And because of all the patriarchal energy, this has caused too much Yang - hot energy as opposed to Yin cold energy. And in fact, in Chinese medicine, all conditions of illness come under those classifications as either a Yang condition or Yin condition.
[00:28:45.580] - Judy Carroll
And the needles are manipulated to balance everything out. So this is what's happening with Earth. It's become way too Yang. The heating process. And this is why the planet herself is trying to bring it back into balance with extra cold winters. Because people who don't believe in climate change like, oh, that's a load of rubbish. Look, we're getting an extra cold winter. No, it's not heating up, but that's what's happened. The planet herself is trying to intervene to bring herself back into balance. I mean okay, the controllers are probably contributing to it. I'm not saying they're not just the same as we're contributing with burning fuels, oil based coal based fuels and things, but it's the planet herself that's in this position that needs to be rebalanced.
[00:29:33.250] - Helen Reynolds
So I guess that leads us to the point, how can we best help if we're not going to engage in the stories of either the mainstream media or the alternate media? It comes back to the beginning of our conversation, doesn't it? It comes back to centering ourselves in the Oneness.
[00:29:55.320] - Judy Carroll
Yes, centering ourselves in Oneness. The other thing that Grey's go on so much about, and you can see it in the way they do things. Non attachment, compassionate non attachment, that's a really important thing, because if you start getting attached to things, you waste your energy. That's one of the things that's taught up on the ships. When we're doing healing on people up on the ship, occasionally those of us who live human lives down here, we can start to feel a bit of emotion coming up when we're healing someone. And immediately one of the teachers will come up and just place their hands on us, okay, step back from the emotion. Because if you bring emotion in, you're cutting back on the energy that you're able to give this person your healing. And this is part of the good training that I've received in Reiki as well. Don't get caught up in the person's energy. Just stand back and allow that healing energy to run freely. So that's not how we've got to respond to what's going on down here. Non attachment. Of course we have compassion because it horrifies us to see what's going on.
[00:30:59.360] - Judy Carroll
We're only human - the Greys and the earth humans, we all feel the same way. But just standing back and sending love, just keep sending love. People who send healing, like I know in Reiki, we can transmit healing from here. There's no time and space involved. But anyone who wants to send healing or send prayers or whatever, some lovely wording that one of the Grey teachers gave us once right back in the 911 event in America. And he said to us, when you send Reiki, send Reiki to the heart of the American people. And, that really got me. I thought, that is so beautiful. So what I've been doing and the people around me who all do Reiki, we've been sending Reiki to the heart of the Russian and the Ukrainian people to bring back balance and unconditional love.
[00:31:49.580] - Helen Reynolds
That gets to the point I didn't quite finish earlier in the alternate media, it gets quite extreme. And that's how I ended up talking about these people who worship Satan, but they are all part of creation too. And so we have to send love to their hearts as well. Otherwise we are excluding them from creation, which isn't actually possible nor beneficial in our expansion and growth either.
[00:32:18.490] - Judy Carroll
Exactly. Another thing Maris always says, negativity can never be overcome by more negativity. Negativity can only be overcome by positivity. And positivity will always win out in the end because positivity is expansive negativity implodes upon itself.
[00:32:35.410] - Helen Reynolds
So we could switch out love in the positivity sense and fear in the negativity sense in that statement, couldn't we?
[00:32:43.830] - Judy Carroll
Yeah. Remember that series of books that were put out? Oh, my goodness, I can't remember. The Celestine prophecy. I know. It's the Insight to 10th Insight and the Celestine Prophecy.
[00:32:58.640] - Helen Reynolds
[00:33:00.070] - Judy Carroll
Yeah. That was basically what he was trying to get across in those stories. Always send love to whatever the situation is. Love can always heal it. If you send back anger, it's not going to help. It only makes things worse.
[00:33:17.870] - Helen Reynolds
And it enhances our attachment to the situation, doesn't it?
[00:33:22.420] - Judy Carroll
Exactly, and feeds our ego.
[00:33:27.810] - Helen Reynolds
I think it's useful at this point to remember that love is that third dimension that Maris was talking about. You know, it's higher, it's above these things.
[00:33:37.710] - Judy Carroll
Yeah. And that's why he said it's nonpolarized. That just means it's balanced. There's no more negativity in there. Positivity is holding it together in state of balance.
[00:33:50.880] - Helen Reynolds
So when we turn to our heart practises, I always think of my heart being warm and expansive and doing my best to live from the heart, keep my mind open to receiving the heart.
[00:34:05.850] - Judy Carroll
[00:34:06.680] - Helen Reynolds
So I don't tend to spend a lot of time on the other chakras or the other energy systems within my body. I just go to the heart. So will my heart balance the other energy systems in my body?
[00:34:21.820] - Judy Carroll
Yes. That's what the heart is all about. The heart is the bridge between the higher chakras and the lower chakras. So it's the balancer? Absolutely. For sure.
[00:34:31.730] - Helen Reynolds
Oh, that's good.
[00:34:33.060] - Judy Carroll
[00:34:34.110] - Helen Reynolds
I think you might still find me on your Reiki table though at times.
[00:34:38.070] - Judy Carroll
Well, that's something that we actually teach in Reiki. When we teach Reiki the heart of a Reiki tournament, a Reiki learning Reiki is the attunement process. And the very first attunement that, we do reatunes the heart Chakra and brings it back into balance. So at Reiki level one, there are four attunements. The first one works on the heart. The second one works on the throat and the solar plexus. The third one, third eye and sacral chakra. And the last attunement is Crown and base Chakra, which then seals a whole lot in. The heart Chakra, that's the key one. And when we link into Reiki energy, Reiki doesn't drian your own energy system. We just draw it straight through the Crown Chakra because it's been opened up through the attunement process comes from the Crown Chakra down to the heart Chakra runs down the heart meridians and both arms and out through the palms and the fingertips. So again, it's based in the heart.
[00:35:35.550] - Helen Reynolds
It's a lovely treatment to receive.
[00:35:38.730] - Judy Carroll
Sure. Is that's addictive.
[00:35:43.170] - Helen Reynolds
Good? Kind of addictive, yes.
[00:35:47.790] - Helen Reynolds
Is it possible, in your opinion, to live in this mixed up, crazy world and not have any news as such? How much do we need to know what's going on around us in terms of that sort of news type stuff?
[00:36:08.130] - Judy Carroll
It's sort of good to keep in touch. I mean, I listen to the news. I don't listen to online stuff, but I just listen to the mainstream news just to get the basics of what's going on. But I don't attach into it. I just non-attach listen to what they say. If you feel you need to take steps or fair enough, but don't get too caught up in it and don't link into the fear and drama. Just be aware that there is a lot of fear mongering as well.
[00:36:33.780] - Helen Reynolds
Part of our education on Earth must be discernment.
[00:36:39.690] - Judy Carroll
Yes. Again, yeah, Maris sent teaching through on that as well. Discernment. Yes. Really important. And just learning to feel within your own heart what feels right and doesn't feel right.
[00:36:52.100] - Helen Reynolds
Particularly in the alternate type news. Discernment is absolutely critical, probably even more so than mainstream media. The mainstream media seemed to have one script all over the world. They're sending that one message and Covid was a brilliant example of that. But in the alternative media, oh, my gosh, there's like a million different scripts and all these different points of view. If you want to practise discernment go down that path. I'm not really encouraging that because, well, I just pulled myself out of that and it's much better.
[00:37:34.930] - Judy Carroll
I couldn't stand it. I like to live my life in peace because, I mean, that's the positive reality that I'm creating for myself. So if I'm going to go into the media all the time and listen to all this divide and fighting and this one's evil and this one's bad and this one, because Satan motivated by Satan and all the stuff they come out with, that's certainly not going to enhance the peacefulness of your life. I'd rather go out and dig in the garden or even mow.
[00:38:08.930] - Helen Reynolds
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm wondering, Judy, if we could wrap up this interview with you reading Maris' message again, would that be okay? It was just so beautiful and there's so much in it.
[00:38:21.200] - Judy Carroll
Yeah, no worries. I've just got to find it here. Here we are. Okay, go into it again. Okay. Talking about what's going on in Russia and Ukraine and the rest of the world, it's way deeper than what's been put across by the mainstream media. At the same time, alternative media sources don't have the full story either. And are carrying out their usual hype and stirring up even more fear, anger and divisiveness, which is exactly what the planetary controllers want. They've used this divide and conquer agenda on Earth for millennia, since biblical times and before. The key is to understand that there are actually three layers of reality being played out here. Quite a number of people on Earth are waking up to the fact that the majority of humanity has been and is being controlled and brainwashed by the ones known as the Cabal, Illuminati, Planetary Controllers, Repterrans, or whatever you want to call them, who in-turn operate through both left and right wing political extremism and also through fundamentalist religion and science. These are the two layers at work down here in 3D. The controllers and the controlled. However, overriding this whole scenario is the third layer, the cosmic force.
[00:39:39.930] - Judy Carroll
This force is nonpolarised, so its reality is balance and oneness. This is why higher off planet cultures refer to it as Oneness, Source and Cosmic Consciousness. It does not express the lower human emotions and vices of jealousy, judgement and the need to be praised and worshipped, as does the so called God of the Old Testament, which humans have created in their own image. This is only a shadow of the higher reality of Oneness. True Oneness simply Is. Everything that happens on Earth or elsewhere in the Cosmos has its beginning at this higher level of pure potential. Every being in the Cosmos is subject to it, as being pure consciousness it is at the core of us all how much we open ourselves and tap into it is dependent upon our free will as nonpolarized energy. It is balance and oneness, both of which best expresses unconditional love. Imbalance is expressed through the lack of unconditional love. In other words, fear, which is expressed through xenophobia, racism, religious intolerance, divisiveness, separation and ego. This fear cannot exist at the 5D level to which Earth as we know it is shifting. Shift world consciousness does not encompass such polarity as it is more attuned to oneness and balance.
[00:41:04.260] - Judy Carroll
The planetary controllers are, of course, fighting to maintain their control. But they, too, even more than controlled humanity, are being put to the test. Their Armageddon has come. Humanity is slowly awakening. Chaos as a result. But change is happening with death providing a portal and opening to a higher state of being for many souls at this time. We do understand the difficulties that many humans have with the concept of death because of the wrong teachings and beliefs that have been force fed to humanity by the planetary controllers through their religions based on judgement and fear. True religion is only unconditional love. Oneness and balance is the overriding and eternal force in the Universe. Everything must return to a state of Oneness and balance. In the end, it can be no other way.
[00:41:58.610] - Helen Reynolds
Perfect. Well, there's nothing more to say, is there? Thank you so much, Judy, for taking the time to spend with me again. It's always an absolute pleasure.
[00:42:11.390] - Judy Carroll
I just enjoy so much. Helen, I love talking to you.
[00:42:15.170] - Helen Reynolds
Thank you. So that's it for this episode of the More Love Podcast. For all the references and books and things and Judy's contact details and so on that we've mentioned in this conversation. Go to my website live true to you dot com and you'll be able to navigate your way there to this episode and all those details. So please tell someone else who wants their power back about the More Love Podcast. They'll be forever grateful that you've helped them reclaim their true state of being. Until we join together again. I wish you all the blessings that wholeheartedness brings. Bye for now.