From the darkness of depression to the light of Life and the asking that creates the transition - this is a long, but very important conversation with Brian Longhurst.  Brian's loving relationship with Jesus and the energy of Creation that he calls Papa give him the words that become a source of light for us all.  He gives honourably, generously and most importantly wholeheartedly.  Open your heart while you listen to receive the love and divine light being conveyed in this conversation.

Jesus, light of the world.

From the darkness of depression to the light of Life and the asking that creates the transition - this is a long, but very important conversation with Brian Longhurst.  Brian's loving relationship with Jesus and the energy of Creation that he calls Papa give him the words that become a source of light for us all. He gives honourably, generously and most importantly wholeheartedly.  Open your heart while you listen to receive the love and divine light being conveyed in this conversation.  

During this interview Brian explains that spiritual darkness, or depression, happens when we ignore or deny the qualities of our being, the qualities that are inherently ours, the light that is inherently ours - the light that was demonstrated by Jesus.  Or, said another way, our true state of being is one of everlasting light that when restricted or denied causes us pain and leaves us feeling like we're in deep darkness.  What restricts the light?  Fear based thinking that is not true to our being and thus causes behaviours, attitudes and actions based on judgement, attachment, comparison and worry (just to name a few!).  

"We descend into depression through lack of various qualities that are what we really are, which is faith, trust, belief, and of equal importance, sense of purpose" Brian Longhurst

While this might sound a little depressing, it's really a message of hope and truth.  Because, the truth is, we're all children of Creation, Source, God, the Universe or Spirit (whichever is your preferred name).  It's a message that says our natural state of being is one of spiritual Light, joy, happiness, ease, grace and Love.   We are all children of Light.   But... we have to ask to know.  

Asking for the Light

Brian spends some time explaining the importance of understanding free will and of our asking.  Just as other guests have explained the significance of our God given free will, Brian emphasises that if we want to help in changing our lives we must ask. Our free will is deeply respected and without asking help guidance cannot be given.

"And if we don't ask, the realms of light cannot help us unless we ask, because we have God given free will. And not asking means we don't want and they have to go along with our God given free will. So it's absolutely paramount that if we really want to know, we must ask and then give thanks." Brian Longhurst

While asking seems the simplest of tasks, when living in what feels like a devilish darkness, where it seems there is nothing at all to hope for, it becomes something that's much harder to do.  This is the paradox of free will and the confusion of mis-interpreted feelings.  Without seeking, and asking to know our divine, self-authenticating light we're left living in a background of darkness, consumed by our feelings of impossibility, hopelessness and despair which convince us that nothing else is possible and there is no point even asking, thus snuffing out our eternal light.  

The good news is - this isn't true.  Nothing can snuff out our bright light.  Nothing can sever our connection between light and living.  It's always there but we must ask.  Brian reassures us that it doesn't matter how we ask, we don't even need words to ask, we just need wholehearted desire to find a brighter way to live.  

"...the good news is our mind may not know how to form the words, but our heart, it does. And it is our heart that is listened to by the Creator and the rest of creation."  Brian Longhurst

After asking, how do we live a spiritual life in our family of light?

Brian explains that we must follow the example life of Jesus Christ and do our best to be like him in every aspect of our being to let our true light shine forth.

John 8:12  - When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

I have to say, that if Brian had told me this several years ago I most likely would've walked away!   Why?  Because religion has re-created Jesus as a false idol and my heart can tell that false idols are fake.  The difference here is that Brian isn't talking about an idyllic Jesus, he is talking about a man who lived with a brighter light yet still felt and experienced every aspect of humanity.  

"Jesus took a human body, but he was living in the world as an embodied soul, but he was not of the world, so he was manifesting truth, love, light, life, spirit, whatever all the light and positive terms you can think of, he was living those and demonstrating them. And so he is our exemplar, and we can choose to follow him." Brian Longhurst

What this means is Jesus had the discipline to avoid the human behaviours that cause the absence of light such as judgement, comparison, attachment and worry.  He held his connection between light and life by holding his mind and heart in perfect alignment.   Perhaps this needs to be the topic of my next conversation with Brian!



More from Brian:

Brian's website is a reservoir of support and encouragement:  https://honest2goodness.org.uk/

You can find Brian's seven books here:  https://sixdegreespublishing.com/brian_longhurst_seekyefirstthekingdom.html

To contact Brian use this email address:  brian.l "at" honest2goodness.org.uk


This is the first time you can watch one of my episodes!  Brian published the video to his youtube channel.  Enjoy.  


[00:00:19.290] - Helen Reynolds

Welcome to another episode of The More Love Podcast with Helen Reynolds. The place for conversations that reveal your greatest strength is in your sensitivity to love energy. We are sharing this episode with Brian Longhurst. Welcome, Brian. Thank you for joining us.

[00:00:36.960] - Brian Longhurst

It's my pleasure entirely.

[00:00:39.430] - Helen Reynolds

It's pretty awesome to have you here. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. I think you might prod and poke a little bit more out of me than usual, so that could be good. Actually, there's a wonderful synchronicity that happened just before this episode. The last episode that I released was with Michael Roads, and it's Michael Roads who wrote the foreword to your book. Your first book.

[00:01:07.090] - Brian Longhurst

That is correct.

[00:01:08.120] - Helen Reynolds

Yeah.  I didn't realize that at the time.

[00:01:12.700] - Brian Longhurst

Synchronicity in Full Steam.

[00:01:16.050] - Helen Reynolds

That's right. So what I'd like to do is explain why I invited you on the podcast. So one of the all time favorite episodes on The More Love Podcast is with quite a recent one with Anne Olsson, who Anne is the author of Surrender to the Stillness. And she spoke about her direct relationship with Jesus and the Christ Council. It was a really beautiful episode.

[00:01:43.830] - Brian Longhurst

I listened to it and I loved it.

[00:01:45.830] - Helen Reynolds

Yeah. It's very beautiful. And in that episode, she discussed her journey to her relationship with Jesus and the crucial step of learning to listen. And Anne's words inspired me to invite another guest who's mastered the art of listening and communicating with Jesus. And here you are.

[00:02:08.290] - Brian Longhurst

Okay. Yes. Wonderful.

[00:02:12.490] - Helen Reynolds

So let me share in a nutshell version of your journey to and with Jesus. This will be a very nutshell version. But I'm going to say that you've been unique from the beginning because not many have such a strong desire in their childhood to understand and connect with what you describe as soul awareness of the great cosmic, universal, creative, intelligent force or being that you felt was communing with you. So beautiful.

[00:02:45.830] - Brian Longhurst

And that happened over a period of about three years, every two or three months, from the age of about five or six to seven or eight. I was too young to understand what was going on, but it was. Well, there aren't words to describe how utterly beyond this world that was. I was connected directly with what I now realize is Papa, God. But of course, I didn't know that at the time. At five or six, seven years old.

[00:03:23.890] - Helen Reynolds

The thing is that most people who feel that have silenced it, or at least begun mastering the art of ignoring it by their late teenage years or early 20s.

[00:03:34.900] - Brian Longhurst


[00:03:35.860] - Helen Reynolds

But not you. No. Through a series of divine synchronicities, Olga Park became your spiritual mentor when I think you were just 21 years old. Is that right?

[00:03:48.140] - Brian Longhurst

Well, I was 20 when I met Olga. Yes.

[00:03:51.600] - Helen Reynolds

I just think that's so amazing. You write about your deep desire to know God and his anointed messenger, as in Jesus and your journey to meeting Olga and your first experience of meeting Jesus and beyond that. But that's just the beginning. In your first book, Seek Ye First the Kingdom, and it's the first of seven books that you've completed. It's really evident to me, both intellectually, but more importantly through the resonance of my heart, that the compassion, guidance and instruction you received from Jesus is perfectly aligned with that shared by Anne, and that I find in A Course in Miracles and A Course of Love that I'm more familiar with. And probably most important of all, it matches the resonance of my own being.

[00:04:47.650] - Brian Longhurst


[00:04:50.290] - Helen Reynolds

We know that there's more to us than we meet the eye.

[00:04:53.800] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, infinitely more.

[00:04:58.030] - Helen Reynolds

You've been in direct Communion with Jesus for 55 years now. Is that right?

[00:05:03.910] - Brian Longhurst

January 24, 1967. He manifested to me in his celestial glory. But that was only in response to my earnest asking. And if we don't ask, the realms of light cannot help us unless we ask, because we have God given free will. And not asking means we don't want and they have to go along with our God given free will. So it's absolutely paramount that if we really want to know, we must ask and then give thanks. But asking is the first step. And Jesus is recorded as saying in the Bible, seek and you shall find. No - ask and you shall be given. Seek and Ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened to you. And it's interesting that even in the English language, the first initial letters of those three words spell, A-S-K, ask, an interesting bit of wordplay. And Jesus is very good at wordplay.

[00:06:17.980] - Helen Reynolds

Well, you're pretty good with words yourself, because there's seven books now, 600 messages of encouragement and accompanying diary of Christ communicant on your website. Actually, more than 600. I can't say I've read them all.

[00:06:36.190] - Brian Longhurst

You'd have to be a speed reader to do that.

[00:06:41.090] - Helen Reynolds

And you've written countless emails of support and clarification for anyone who's asked anyone with the desire to know the truth of their being, I'm sure you would be there.

[00:06:52.800] - Brian Longhurst


[00:06:53.530] - Helen Reynolds

So we're very blessed to have you on the More Love Podcast. Thank you, Brian.

[00:06:58.440] - Brian Longhurst

It's a great pleasure to be here, especially get in conversation with you. An absolute delight.

[00:07:07.910] - Helen Reynolds

I thought I'd hit you with this really big question. It's a little bit cheeky and see where it goes.

[00:07:18.170] - Brian Longhurst


[00:07:19.610] - Helen Reynolds

Sometimes I think a lot of us wonder if Jesus is concerned or even maybe God at the beginning of our journey. We might not differentiate so well between Jesus and God about the current state of the world, because many people are experiencing it as worrisome at best, despairing, kind of midway and utterly not worth living in. At worst, it's trying times at the moment.

[00:07:49.980] - Brian Longhurst


[00:07:51.230] - Helen Reynolds

From a bigger perspective, is this something of concern when we look at it from a higher perspective?

[00:07:59.930] - Brian Longhurst

So if we are focusing, at least for this bit of the conversation on let's use the word depression, although that word can encompass on the extreme, despair. And these negative states of mind are triggered within us, and they may take years or decades to emerge. They're triggered by ...We descend into depression through lack of various qualities that are what we really are, which is faith, trust, belief, and of equal importance, sense of purpose. Now, in this world, many people might think, well, my purpose is to make a fortune and marry that beautiful woman and blah, blah, blah. But those are temporal purposes. We are here in embodied form to fulfill a much greater purpose. Now that purpose is decided, agreed upon by our Soul, and that before we incarnate, and that can take the form of discussion with Jesus or others from the realms of light who recognize that we are about to make a descent into a new embodiment and that we want to outwork and fulfill a purpose that has lasting meaning and value, not just for ourselves, but the whole Brotherhood of humanity in the sonship of God. Now, I didn't know any of this when I first encountered Jesus in 1967 but this was explained to me over decades, and I distinctly recall him telling me at least twice that he and I had had a discussion about why I wanted to incarnate this time around.

[00:10:11.510] - Brian Longhurst

And the purpose was agreed between him and me. And he used the word afore time, which means before I incarnated. When we incarnate, we go into forgetfulness. That's part of the process. But Jesus doesn't forget. And those with whom we have, others we have consulted before we incarnate, they haven't forgotten either, and they are here to help us. And so asking is again paramount. If we ask, it shall be given. If we seek, we shall find. If we knock, it shall be opened. And I can give testimony to that from my own life's journey. So the reason why I wanted to come into this life to help people, to understand more about who they really are and why we are here, is it because this world has devised multiple mechanisms for sidetracking us, getting us off track.

[00:11:21.060] - Helen Reynolds


[00:11:23.930] - Brian Longhurst

Probably the most important one, especially within the so called Christian religion, of which there are 40,000 different sects or branches that's continuing. That is continuing. 20 years ago it was 20,000, and in 20 years it's doubled, approximately, of course. But fear and guilt are the mainstream mechanisms used by institutionalized religion to keep us in the dark, the darkness of guilt and fear. So we descend into the state of fear, guilt, depression, despair, all those allied properties, a step at a time, perhaps, for most of us. Most people in today's world are lacking in meaningful purpose, so they establish a substitute purpose, a temporal purpose of gaining power over people rather than power with people.

[00:12:40.170] - Helen Reynolds

Well, our world is so designed to keep us trapped, but as part of the hijacking if we can use that word, the busyness. Is there's no time to come into the center of our being to busyness is a snare? Yeah, absolutely.

[00:13:12.430] - Brian Longhurst

And it keeps us absolutely hogtied so that we can't progress. And that's one of the reasons why I went to Canada. I felt an inner drawing and impulsion that I needed to escape from familial circumstances, friendships, relationships of the people that I'd grown up with and in my working life in London and so on, and make a complete break and a new start. Well, all that was organized from spirit without me knowing that they were doing it. But it achieved its objective, which was getting me in contact with Olga Park.

[00:13:54.980] - Helen Reynolds

Yeah. So just for listeners to give some perspective, you were just 19 or 20 when you moved to countries all by yourself. And on this inner impulse.

[00:14:09.010] - Brian Longhurst

Yes. The beginning of that journey physically was standing on the ship that I was sailing to Canada on from Southampton, and I was standing on the rail looking down at my parents who are waving goodbye, and they look like ants, they were so far down below me. And it was at that moment that I had my first and possibly my only ever out of body experience. And that was a real foreshadowing of the amazing adventure that lay before me. And suddenly I found myself looking down from about 10ft above this young man standing leaning on the rails, waving goodbye to his parents. And to my astonishment, that was me. I was looking at me from above. Well, I didn't know what that meant at the time, but of course, we all hear about out of body experiences these days. So that was just to let me know that I was doing the right thing.

[00:15:21.130] - Helen Reynolds

I spent some time talking about transcendent experiences. I called on the podcast, we talked about NOTES, and NOTES stands for Non Ordinary Transcendent Experience, because they're not normalized yet. There are more and more of them everywhere, just as you suggested, which is a complete to me, that's a complete sign of the awakening that's happening through the planet itself or through the Cosmos.

[00:15:53.660] - Brian Longhurst

But it's happening universally, not just on planet Earth, but throughout the rest of the physical creation where it's needed.

[00:16:04.920] - Helen Reynolds

And is that why what happens here on Earth now is actually quite critical? Is that true?

[00:16:11.240] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, it is. It is very critical because there is only unity and oneness throughout all creation. And even the cosmologists are realizing that there is no actual time lapse or distance between connectedness. And they've proved this, that what happens to an atom somewhere in the universe is recognized and discerned by an atom could be untold numbers of light years away. So the universe is connected at every level from electrons within atoms, atoms, molecules and sentient beings. So if a woodland or a forest is being attacked by caterpillars, for example, and they land on one particular tree that tree sends out distress signals throughout that woodland or forest to every other tree, particularly of its own species, saying, we're under attack. So get ready and start producing chemicals that you can push up into your leaves to make your foliage less attractive to these invading caterpillars. Now that's all well established, documented scientific fact. Most of the world doesn't hear about it because the world is programmed not to want to know the truth. But it's all around us and it's inevitable that it will come out, because now is the time of the Great Awakening. This is the most exciting time in the history of humanity.  And we're here. How brilliant is that? How blessed are we?

[00:18:07.320] - Helen Reynolds

It's exciting.  It's testing. It can be liberating, but let's double back on the liberating idea. Let's double back to asking and depression.

[00:18:20.470] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, okay.

[00:18:22.390] - Helen Reynolds

To me, it's a really intense period of asking because the pain is so acute to me. It was very much like I either choose to live in the grind to the grave. That's how it felt to me. Like I would just grind away at my life. Nothing had much meaning. And eventually I'd end up in the grave and so be it. Like just empty. Or I ask for it to be different. And I didn't know what to ask for.

[00:18:53.200] - Brian Longhurst

But the good news is our mind may not know how to form the words, but our heart, it does. And it is our heart that is listened to by the Creator and the rest of creation. So we are never alone, ever. Not for an instant. So our path is being guided and directed, even though we don't consciously know it. But that's not taking our free will, because the guiding of our path is agreed before we incarnate. So this is something with which we have agreed, even if we're not consciously aware of it. But we will become consciously aware of it once we say, okay, I'm up for this journey. Let's go.

[00:19:40.690] - Helen Reynolds

But also another way to think of that is the light beings or the beings or the energy that's guiding us is Love energy. It's of caring and compassion and loving nature. And as you said, it's not going to interfere, but it's never going to leave us alone.  I was trying to make it

[00:20:07.790] - Brian Longhurst

You just express it perfectly.

[00:20:09.750] - Helen Reynolds

Okay, thank you.

[00:20:12.650] - Brian Longhurst

And we are loved beyond imagining. Humanity has no idea how tenderly, how inexpressibly, gently and embracingly, we are loved. Now, I'd like to share with you a short message from Jesus that was dated September 8th, 1991. And this message is not just for the person who receives it. It's for anyone who is willing to accept it for themselves. So this message that I'm just about to share, which is Jesus speaking, and he is speaking to every single one of us. And he says, Little ones, I would speak with you be not afraid. I am your friend. I reach out my arms toward you in love, in caring, in compassion, in understanding. I long for you to know me, to open your heart to my gentleness and to receive my blessing that your lives may be uplifted and that joy may enter in and wash away your caring and your burden, and that your life and that you may have life new and abundant. I counsel you in your heart. Draw close to me, that I may put upon you the cloak of my love and the Crown of your glory, that the light within you may burst forth into the dark corners of your life and of your fellows and show to you there is truly nothing to fear.

[00:21:59.430] - Brian Longhurst

For we now enter the final phase of the banquet feast wherein the new heaven shall manifest itself into the new Earth. I counsel you also, my beloveds. Let not your vision be double. For that which you see with the earthly eye is confusion created by the disintegration of that which passes away. Rather, focus with thy single eye upon that which is new, upon that which already is my reality, that which shall not pass away, that which is here in the midst, more real, more tangible, more lasting, more fulfilling than all that the double vision can encompass. And all that is yours freely and gladly and joyfully. It is your inheritance from the Father which it is your birthright to receive. For you are all his children. I am the way by which this joy, this wholeness, this fulfillment, may be yours. I am your friend. Speak with me as such. Walk with me. Take my hand in yours. I give it always for your reassurance, for your peace, for your strengthening, that we may be together. For I know that which is in your heart and that which is your desire and would release the chains to unveil that which is truly you. Ponder these things and speak with me. And in the stillness I will speak with you. Peace. Be still. All is well.

[00:23:54.130] - Brian Longhurst

So that is a message to us all. And it's a timeless message. It applied then. It applied 500 years ago. It applies tomorrow and next year. And as long as we are not actually functioning within that conscious awareness to help us forward and we can't do this alone. He also said to me, I'll see if I can remember this verbatim without having to read it. He said to me, this was in 1977. I can be a staff to assist you in the steep places, but I cannot be your feet. This is your journey, and you must take the steps. This is the only way the journey upon which you have embarked can be completed. So we have to take the steps. But he's there beside us. He's like a staff which is a big walking stick, like Moses had to assist us in steep places. And this is what's real. It's not what's going on on the stock exchange and in China and whatever else the media loves to ram down our throat.

[00:25:15.130] - Brian Longhurst

This is reality. And if we focus on that and stay steadfastly focused, then that will become our reality. And it doesn't make any difference what's going on in the world around us. All that stuff that is the broken world is still appearing to happen externally, but we're going within, and it's within that we will find the stillness, the peace, the actual reality, which is love and peace and joy, eternally and freedom. Freedom.  We're in prison here

[00:25:58.120] - Helen Reynolds

when we're stuck in our mind.  When our mind is so busy and so worrisome and blows things out of proportion and gets us right in it.

[00:26:07.620] - Brian Longhurst

Oh, yes, mess.

[00:26:11.630] - Helen Reynolds

That's imprisonment, isn't it?

[00:26:13.840] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, it is.

[00:26:14.730] - Helen Reynolds

And ultimate turmoil and pain and suffering.

[00:26:18.230] - Brian Longhurst

We are our own jailer.

[00:26:20.390] - Helen Reynolds

Yeah. The thing that's hard to journey through, I guess, is the small steps of reassurance and the small steps of building our faith that there is more and that there is another truth. And I think one of the mistakes, it's not a mistake. It's a confusion. When we're at the beginning of our journey is we're told to go within, that the truth lies within, and we're told to enjoy the journey, but we wonder if we go within. What's all this for? How do we make both matter? I think that's a confusing part of the journey.

[00:27:06.410] - Brian Longhurst

Well, it will be to someone who doesn't understand the nature of esoteric reality. And when we're starting our journey, we don't have any understanding of what our esoteric reality is.

[00:27:21.830] - Helen Reynolds

Could we also say spiritual reality is that fair change

[00:27:26.510] - Brian Longhurst

Absolutely and we are spirit beings. A lot of people say we are a soul with a body, and that is Michael Roads says that, and that's true. But I've been prompted with a term for the word soul that is, for me, more expressive, and that is that the life force which keeps us upright and mobile, I refer to as an energy force field. Now, some people refer to this as the aura, and some people with the gift of psychic sight can see people's auras. Now, an aura will expand or contract depending on the state of our mind. And if we're fearful, it contracts and it goes dark. But if we're full of joy, it expands and becomes light. So this energy force field, which is another term for our soul, is greatly empowered by the mind. And if we choose to direct our thoughts through the energy force field of our life force energy force field, then that expands outward and we're generating like a Dynamo. Love energy, peace energy, joy, all the positive attributes, and that goes out throughout the universe. So if we all get requests for prayer from this person who's ill or in hard times and so on.

[00:29:13.190] - Brian Longhurst

And so if we send out if we generate that energy and it's flowing out from us like a tsunami, then the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Truth or our higher Self, whatever term we want to employ, harvests that energy and it will use that energy directed towards the person for whom we're praying or sending love and blessings and good will. Or if we're thinking what's going on in Syria is dreadful. And so I'm sending my love and blessing there. Then that energy will be harvested and applied where it knows is according to our heart's desire to achieve the best possible result. Now that is reality. What's going on down the street and all that business is temporal. It passes away and it has no particular focus of purpose or direction. But we have the power to save the world within ourselves. But we've got to start accepting that we are the Son of God, created in his exact likeness in terms of heart and mind and Christ empowerment for performing what the world perceives as miracles. If one is looking much higher than that, it's possible to see that there are no miracles as such.

[00:30:52.860] - Brian Longhurst

We are simply calling them miracles because we don't understand them well, Jesus understood them and they were normal. They were natural to him and they become natural to us as we choose the path forward into the light, which we are at free will to do here and now in a world full of turmoil, we can extricate ourselves from the turmoil in an instant by going within. And we can do that sitting on the train, walking the dog, anything washing up. It doesn't matter what our body is engaged in. We can go within to the Kingdom of God and the reality of eternal life, of which we are an inextricable part, an essential part, and connect with that greater reality here and now. That is what is happening in this world right now. And we're seeing what the world would call miracles emerging in all directions. And some would say, well, that's a little miracle and that's a bigger one. And there's a monster miracle. There's no order of magnitude in miracles. They're all the same. And that is they're all real. Now. We're asleep. We're pretending that that isn't real, so that's what we believe is what we perceive.

[00:32:20.520] - Brian Longhurst

So when we change our mind, we will perceive anew and experience anew. And that newness will be as exemplified by Jesus 2000 years ago. And he hasn't gone away. He's here with us now. It's glorious.

[00:32:38.450] - Helen Reynolds

Living in the truth is a little bit more though, than just perceiving what you believe, isn't it? Living in illusion, we perceive our beliefs. I guess I'm just trying to use your words and I've missed a couple.

[00:32:53.170] - Brian Longhurst

Don't worry.

[00:32:55.570] - Helen Reynolds

When we live from truth, it's more than perception. It becomes a knowing.

[00:33:02.490] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, it becomes uncertainty.

[00:33:05.550] - Helen Reynolds

At the beginning of the journey. If we're moving from despair or depression, it's completely unknown. We've totally forgotten. But if we can hope that there's more to life than meets the eye or hope that there could be another way or have that deep inner desire to know the purpose of life or to love and to be loved, then something will present itself, because all that deep desire is the asking. And then over the journey, it becomes a knowing. And so then it becomes way more than perception to live.

[00:33:51.550] - Brian Longhurst

Yes. More than perception. More than belief. Certainty. Absolute certainty. And I can say that after 55 years, the doubts and the uncertainty have become certainty. A certainty of knowing beyond all doubt. That the stuff that I've written in my seven books, which I'm as astonished about, as probably more astonished that this happened. But this was all agreed with Jesus before time, before I incarnated. So now people say to me, you absolutely believe this. And I said, well, actually, I used to believe it, but now I know it because I've allowed it to become my experience, because I desired it. That's the first step we have to take. Do we have the desire for this journey? And it won't always be comfortable. There'll be some difficult patches. And Theresa and I have had difficult patches, but we've come through it and so we are guided, we're helped, we are loved. We couldn't do this journey on our own. I've written loads of chapters in these seven books about this, the way in which we're helped the practical ways that we're not even aware of when they're happening. We only realize, with hindsight, I was helped through that difficult patch.  I couldn't have done it on my own. And I dare say you've had experiences to that effect.

[00:35:39.950] - Helen Reynolds

Absolutely. Yeah. And that's part of the isolating. Sorry, I'm just trying to do three thoughts at once. But you said, we're not alone and we're absolutely not alone. But part of the hijacking is to make us believe that we need to live independently, that we're all unique from each other. And while we are unique, but the hijacking part is, it's a bit like living when we're living in the material world. It's a bit like every man and dog for himself, isn't it?

[00:36:15.240] - Brian Longhurst

Yeah. And there's a codicil to that. Every man for himself and devil take the hind most. I don't know if you've heard that. My dad used to say that.

[00:36:30.330] - Helen Reynolds

That means the devil takes the last one.

[00:36:32.870] - Brian Longhurst


[00:36:36.370] - Helen Reynolds

Let's be clear. There is no devil. There's only one creator.

[00:36:40.410] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, exactly. We've made up the devil.

[00:36:43.630] - Helen Reynolds

Yeah. And when we're in that despairing, depression like state, it seems very real. At least it did to me when I was very low, it seemed very real. Like there was a devil out to get me. I might as well just sell my soul now.

[00:37:02.110] - Brian Longhurst

A lot of people in that state of mind and understanding, but it isn't true. And we've made all that up. Anything that is not of love, love is eternal and anything that is not of love passes away.  Love is eternal. So, for example, over our last 50 odd years, we've had various dogs and cats, and they were part of the family and we loved them. And when it came time to say farewell to them in their embodied state, which is always a heartbreaker. But I was aware on each occasion that as they were being euthanized, they were emerging. And I saw a cat we had called Oscar, and he come to the end of his journey after 17 years with a body. So the vet injected the euthanol and he said, there may be some jerking. It's involuntary, and he's not experiencing any pain, but he didn't jerk or do any of that. But his head sank down as he was leaving his body. But I saw his soul leaving the body and his soul head, as it were, started to rise up. And he looked up and he looked around and it was as if he was saying, hey, this is all right.  I can deal with this. And he rose up and was gone, but he's still around. And when we walk with the dog and the dogs are here, and I said to them, if you want to move on to another stage in your adventure, you're free to go. But if you love us and want to stay around, you will always be welcome. So they are when I walk in the Hills, the dogs are with me and Oscar, the cat, cheeky blighter that he is, wraps himself around my neck. So I'm carrying him because cats don't normally go for walks, walks in the Hills. And the dogs are racing around, full of life, full of joy. But they want to do it because I'm doing it with them. It's wonderful.

[00:39:31.630] - Helen Reynolds

That is wonderful.

[00:39:32.910] - Brian Longhurst

It's all liberating to understand the greater reality that we're hunkering down away from. Oh, I don't want to hear about spiritual matters because it makes me fearful. Well, there's nothing to fear. The only thing to fear is fear itself. And we are very good at engendering fear, to keep ourselves shrunk down. And if I have a purpose here, it's to help people to understand that there is no death, there is only continuity, and that we are loved. And that when we ask for help, it is given. And in fact, it's given. Before we have asked because our hearts and minds are known and understood and we formulate thoughts from our heart. So by the time they've reached word formation stage in our mind, Papa and Jesus know exactly what we're going to say or what we're going to ask because they have read our hearts and minds. Simple. There's so much more. As you can see. I guess I really had to write seven books to try and encompass all this. I had no idea I was going to do anything like that. I knew I had to write one book and I thought that was it.

[00:41:02.490] - Brian Longhurst

But then, amazingly, when book one had been published for a year or two, three different people said exactly the same thing to me. Three weeks within a span of three weeks. And none of these people knew each other. They were on different continents even. And they all said, when are we going to see another book from you? Because we know there's one in there. Well, I thought now, but when three people say the same thing within three weeks, you've got to say to yourself, if I don't listen to my inner promptings, how do I know what I'm going to be missing? There we are. And then I wrote the second book, Finding the Kingdom Within. And three days after that was published on Easter Day 2014, The Holy Spirit or The Voice Within gave me the title of five more books quicker than I could write them down. I had to scramble for a piece of scrap paper and a pencil to write down the titles. And these titles are a progressive series of steps on our journey from the Valley of the shadow of death, see psalm 23, to the summit of the Hill of the Lord, see Psalm 24. So we're on a journey from the Valley of the shadow of death, this dream world where we think we're a mortal body, up to the place where we find ourselves in the Holy presence, the presence of the One. The Holy One. So the titles of the books are Seek Ye first the Kingdom, Finding the Kingdom within, Entering the Kingdom within, Living from the Kingdom within, Sharing the Kingdom within, Extending the Kingdom within and Being the Kingdom within. Now those titles were given to me. I didn't make them up. And it was only afterwards that I realized, hey, this is a progressive order of journey.

[00:43:29.980] - Helen Reynolds

It's like the Road Atlas to joining with our true selves.

[00:43:35.530] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, that's a very good description. Yeah, I think I might borrow that.

[00:43:40.800] - Helen Reynolds

You're welcome.

[00:43:43.630] - Brian Longhurst

Yes. Or even a sat NAV.

[00:43:47.890] - Helen Reynolds


[00:43:48.710] - Brian Longhurst

In today's world, we hardly need a road book.

[00:43:52.570] - Helen Reynolds

You'll have to record them as audios then.

[00:43:58.310] - Brian Longhurst


[00:44:00.170] - Helen Reynolds

Now you use a really Christian language, which some people really buck at. And I happened to be one of them until quite recently. I'm just trying to rack my brain as to what turned me around. And I think it was The Course of Love. It has a very Christian language. So for those listeners who aren't familiar with The Course of Love, it was received by Mari Peron from Jesus. And he maintained that Christian language for that particular purpose, for The Course of Love. But it's not the only language, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. And therefore, now that I'm a little further along my journey, I can see that we can use Christian language. It's not the only language. It's not the necessary language. It can be very specific which is useful. And it helps us to see a continuity over a longer period of time perhaps, but I guess I'm just trying to allay any fears about heading into a Christian language if it's not familiar to you as a listener.

[00:45:21.730] - Brian Longhurst

The thought that's come to my mind as he was saying that is one could start out by saying well the Christian language is the language of Christ, albeit that let's think of Jesus as being the Christ because that's what we're most familiar with. But the people who wrote the various bits of the Bible were putting that language in a box and saying this is all there is and this is what you have to stick to. But the Genie is coming out of the bottle. Now I'm mixing a couple of metaphors here and so that language can expand and grow in our own within and it becomes from the dead word if you will, on the printed page where you've got black ink on a piece of paper and people read that and they don't understand what it's saying. So it has not come alive. But when we go within to study the words on the page and they start to grow within us a sense of understanding, then those words become the living word or the word of life. And so the words that Jesus spoke long ago and what he's teaching us, in A Course in Miracles and A Course of Love and whatever else that is now coming out of the box, he's opened the lid and saying now let's expand what you've got recorded in the Bible which has been so redacted and changed throughout the centuries.

[00:47:15.790] - Brian Longhurst

Although it's amazing how much of what he said has remained there, it's astonishing. And when you've got into the place where the word is becoming enlivened within you, you get to be able to discern this bit is the living word and it's true but this bit is off pieced and it's not really taking us anywhere.

[00:47:43.330] - Helen Reynolds

That's the saying isn't it? Those with the eyes to see.

[00:47:46.930] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, on Christmas Day 1993, a man called William Tyndale who was burnt at the stake in the 1500s for translating the Bible into English by the Church, they caught him and burnt him at the stake for helping people to understand what Jesus had to say. He manifested to me on Christmas Day 1993 because I had been given a copy of a new edition of the Tyndale Bible which I was very interested in William Tyndale and what he did. And so when I opened the wrapping and saw this, I went and he came right into me, I breathed him his life force right into me and I knew that I got that connection and he spoke to me a few days later and he said, and I'll paraphrase this, "if you're interested, I will help you to understand the scriptures". So I said bet your bottom dollar I want to understand the Christian, the scriptures. And he has been helping me and stuff even from the book of revelation, which is completely beyond understanding for most of us, including me, and still much of it for me. But as the years have gone by, that's 19 now.

[00:49:24.800] - Brian Longhurst

It's 29 years ago. New understanding as I've read the scriptures has come into my mind like a Bolt from the blue. That's what that means. So what I would love to do is encourage people, keep on keeping on. Set your direction according to your heart's desire. I want to get into the light. I want to go for the light instead of out of darkness, back down. I want to set my course for the light. We will be helped. That is a certainty beyond all doubt. We are loved beyond imagining, and we are helped beyond imagining. But all the while we are like a ship without a rudder, a chart, a Compass, a sail going whichever way the wind happens to be blowing. Then our loving guides and helpers, including Jesus. They stand back because they're waiting for us to decide. I know Christians, Orthodox Christians, who say we're waiting for Jesus to tell us what to do. Well, they'll wait a very long time because he's not going to tell us what to do because it's our journey and we have to take the steps. But he will help us if we ask. And if we decide, well, I'm not certain he will help us to attain a level of certainty by just being loving and gentle and accepting and caring and compassionate and giving.

[00:51:07.510] - Brian Longhurst

He is all of those things and much more I would like if I forgive me for hogging the microphone here, but there's one little incident that I would love to share. About three years ago, every morning, first thing when I come down in the morning, I empty the dishwasher. And on this particular Sunday morning, I was emptying the dishwasher and I became aware that Jesus was sitting on the kitchen counter watching and just being there, loving. And his very presence is a joy beyond imagining to a slumbering mind. So for about the millionth time, I told him how much I love him, how great help and the blessing he is and all those things. And that probably went on for about a minute and I was just pouring out my gratitude to him. And so he looked at me straight in the eye as I was speaking, and he listened attentively. And when I finished speaking, he said to me, Everything you have just said about me is exactly the way I feel about you.

[00:52:31.970] Hallelujah.

[00:52:36.030] - Brian Longhurst

Really? He's saying that not just to me, he's saying that to you. He's saying it to anyone who is interested. And even if we're not saying those things to him, what he's saying is you are everything to me because you are my brother or brothers in the sonship of God, and we are as one, one son, albeit I think in a course of love. He says, we are the same, yet different. Now, that sounds impossible to someone who doesn't understand esoteric reality, but I use the analogy of like a marriage, a happy, loving marriage. You've got two people who are different, who join together as one. And so they share this journey and they become the same and yet still different. Theresa and I have been married for 53 years, so we know a little bit about how that works, and we function as one. And there's so much telepathy going on, we're saying, oh, I was just about to say that. And that goes on every day, but we're still different, apart from the fact that we are complementary genders, which obviously is pretty significant, but the differences make our relationship even more joyful. It's all there.

[00:54:20.840] - Brian Longhurst

We've got all the examples, all the parables for us to recognize and say, wow, that applies as a print. What Jesus described to me as a principle of life of the Father, which is the laws or rules by which God's creation functions perfectly. It's only we've made a mess of it.

[00:54:45.610] - Helen Reynolds

The one sort of law that most people are familiar with now is the law of attraction, which is part to me, it's not the exact language. It's part of another principle and a collection of principles. But before we go down that rabbit hole, there's so many directions we could splinter off right now. But the way that I would like to go, if it's all right with you, is you mentioned the Book of Revelations, and there are some pretty wild interpretations of the Book of Revelations going on at the moment in this crazy, chaotic period of awakening we find ourselves in. Yes, and I know, at least I've heard you speak about it with John Mundi - Mundi on Sunday, isn't it?

[00:55:36.720] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, that's right.

[00:55:37.850] - Helen Reynolds

About the Great Rescue Program. I just thought it might be really lovely to speak about that, if that would be all right.

[00:55:46.520] - Brian Longhurst

Absolutely. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. Well, that is a term the Great Rescue Program is a term that Jesus used in describing to me in. And he's used that term ever since. There are a lot of other terms that have emerged, like the at-one-ment and the Great Awakening and so on, but they amount to the same thing. Now, humanity has been in need of rescue because we're in a mess. And that's the polite version. We're in a mess and have been I mean, Old Testament history goes back 4000 years before, and there's been war and conflict and all that business; murder and mayhem throughout. And so that is the state of going in the wrong direction, what Jesus calls going into outer darkness. So we've been in that kind of a mess, and there is no prospect, including today, of us extricating ourselves from that mess without help. Now, the one being that I know and know pretty well is Jesus who can help us. Of course, he's not alone. There are untold others in the realms of light who are working with him, all under Christ authority and empowerment to help us. And so the Great Rescue Program is taking the collective energy of humanity, which happens to be about seven point something billion bodies at the moment.

[00:57:37.300] - Brian Longhurst

But that's not including those who have laid aside their body and who are now occupying astral realms or etheric realms. So there are lots of people who need help. And the Great Rescue Program was devised by God, and he sent Jesus as his anointed messenger to bring the good news. The word gospel means good news. So Jesus came with the Christ power and authority to bring the light from the outer darkness into which we had gradually descended. And that is what brings depression and despair. We've lost our way and people without a purpose. And I'm talking about a meaningful purpose, a purpose to do some good. Then they will become depressed and even despairing and even suicidal. I know two people. I'm in contact with two people at the moment, one in America and one here, in England, who have been seriously thinking of ending their life. And I've met other I know other people who have made several attempts at ending their life, but they were stopped by divine intervention. They didn't understand that at the time. And that divine intervention manifested in human form as one as a policeman and so on, one as a dog walker and whoever.

[00:59:23.350] - Brian Longhurst

It doesn't matter the form of the divine intervention. If that person's journey is not yet completed and that they have a purpose, even if they don't know that purpose, then they will be prevented, helped by divine intervention, whether it's from Granny, who's in spirit or Jesus in spirit, or whoever, someone who knows that it is not our time to end this embodied journey. So we are helped, we are loved. And the Great Rescue Program is the step by step progress of our journey individually and collectively, the whole human race. Now a slumbering mind will say, well, that's ridiculous, because some people are up here on their journey and other people down here, if you can see my other hand, have barely started. So there's a huge gap. Well, if we think of humanity, the son of God, all X billion of us, in a ship, and that ship doesn't have a chart or a Compass or a rudder or a sail or a propeller. So it's just floating. There's no journey. There's no direction. And so there are some people who are high up and some people low down, all in a state of mishmash on this big vessel.

[01:01:05.170] - Brian Longhurst

What they're missing is that there is an ocean current. And if we think of the Atlantic, the North Atlantic Ocean, we have the Gulf Stream, which is a warm current starting around the Caribbean, and it's moving in a northwesterly direction. And so that ship is being moved along within the current. And the inhabitants of the ship, the occupants probably don't even realize that they're actually moving. It's imperceptible to their earthly eyes. And they say, well, we want to be able to steer this ship because we want to go to wherever...

[01:01:48.250] - Helen Reynolds

We want to be in control.

[01:01:50.530] - Brian Longhurst

Perfectly said, we want to be in control, but we're not in control at our Earth mind conscious level. And yet as part of the sonship of God, as led by our elder brother, Jesus of Nazareth, we are in control via his divine intervention. So we're being moved by the Gulf Stream, using that analogy, to a destination, which is where we'll start to see. We thought nothing was happening. We thought we were still in this to, introduce another analogy, a Whirlpool going round and round and round and getting nowhere. But we're moving. That's what's happening to humanity.  And even the most deeply slumbering brothers or sisters in this life, they are actually progressing. And if it takes a few more incarnations, so what? In eternity time is irrelevant, but we are on the journey.  And that's the encouragement that I think we will serve ourselves well to take on board.

[01:03:16.070] - Helen Reynolds

When we begin our spiritual journey and we go within right at the beginning.  I'm talking about when we're still really in a separated approach to life.

[01:03:27.290] - Brian Longhurst


[01:03:28.430] - Helen Reynolds

Separated meaning, separated from our true self and from our Creator and from our Creator. Yes. Or for those who aren't used to the language of Creator, separated from our Source, separated from the Universe, separated from our own Spirit, our own true state of being, then it's hard to reconcile the both. It's hard to imagine that we could live as our true self or as our spirit self or source self, or as the true intention of the Creator in this physical material world. I mean, I'm still picking up a pencil to write a note. It's still a very physical experience, isn't it?

[01:04:14.570] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, it is.

[01:04:15.570] - Helen Reynolds

If someone gives me a whack, I certainly feel it. I just thought it might be really lovely to hear some of your wisdom about why it's possible and that's how it's meant to be and that it is possible to live with the integration of both, I guess, is what I'm saying.

[01:04:37.040] - Brian Longhurst

Yes. Well, the fantastic news or the good news about this is that we have an example, an example life to follow, and that is Jesus. Now, Jesus took a human body, but he was living in the world as an embodied soul, but he was not of the world, so he was manifesting truth, love, light, life, spirit, whatever all the light and positive terms you can think of, he was living those and demonstrating them. And so he is our exemplar, and we can choose to follow him. So the ego would say yes, but we don't know what Jesus is thinking. So how can we follow him? How can we live like him? Well, that is the lie of Satan, to use a churchified term. We all know exactly what Jesus is thinking. And in case we've forgotten, let me rehearse a few of the things he's thinking. He's thinking love, light. He's thinking life, he's thinking compassion, he's thinking caring, he's thinking blessing. He's thinking acceptance. And people say, Well, I don't like that. So I don't want to accept it. And it's because they don't want to accept it that it keeps persisting. What we resist persists, so just allow it.

[01:06:21.110] - Brian Longhurst

And so the other crucial thing that he's thinking is nonjudgment and humanity is functioning from a place of judgment - judgmental, attitudes: Oh, look at that person. Aren't they fat? Aren't they ugly? Aren't they rich? Aren't they poor? Aren't they short? Aren't they tall? Aren't they miserable? Aren't they too happy? Whatever. Well, they're on their journey and they're lost, the same as we are lost. So why don't we join with that person with a beneficent attitude instead of a judgmental attitude, keeping them separate? We've got to join up because we're brothers. Siblings - that's the non sexist term. We're siblings. We'll do well as a family within God, who invited me to call him Papa in 1996. We are family. Well, families work best when they're working in a cooperative manner. But we're not cooperating. America is not cooperating with China, etc. At the moment, Britain isn't cooperating with France. Forgive me, I shouldn't have said that.

[01:07:54.550] - Helen Reynolds

I think our lists of examples at that kind of level would be endless at the moment.

[01:07:59.740] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, it would indeed. So we do know what Jesus is thinking, but we're resisting thinking like Him, but we've got to stop thinking unlike Him. And we've got to start thinking like Him. And what we think is what we will end up living, demonstrating being. And what he's demonstrating is the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. And that when we're all thinking like him. That is when the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth will become manifest in everyone's life. I've had loads of mystical experiences about signs and wonders and things like that happening, but it's already present, but it's present in our hearts and minds. Now we're in the time of the Great Awakening, the grand finale, if you like, of the Great Awakening, and it's starting to emerge. So the Kingdom of Heaven, Michael Roads tells us, and I love what he says here. He says the metaphysical always precedes the physical. So if we are generating, if we're creating the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, in our hearts and minds, the energy that's generated by that heart and mind functioning in unity and relationship, if that energy we're generating is emerging from us like a dynamo, generating light that crystallizes in the metaphysical or the spirit reality, the realms of light, and it joins with it and the energy accumulates and crystallizes so that we have the Kingdom of Heaven, if you like, hovering close to us, but not yet visible.

[01:10:02.720] - Brian Longhurst

And if we keep on adding to that, and other people join with us in their own way and their own design, their own desire, if they join with us. We are generating so much light energy in the spirit world, the metaphysical realm, if you like, and that inevitably will come down as it crystallizes and becomes physical in our world. But that happens from our own within into the esoteric reality. And then we are connected to it. So we are living it, manifesting it in our own life, exactly like Jesus. We won't be identical to him because we're all different, even though we're effectively the same. But that's what's happening now. And people who have eyes to see are experiencing it, becoming aware of it.

[01:11:10.760] - Helen Reynolds

And we get clues along the way, little signs and synchronicities give us the clues. They're the little moments of reassurance. They're the pat on the back, so to speak. Keep up the good work.

[01:11:28.270] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, but we have to be open to recognize those things. Yes, but it's there. Even for people who don't believe any of it. It's still there because they're God's creation.

[01:11:45.610] - Helen Reynolds

Everyone's chosen. Yeah, that's a whole another that can be quite hard to wrap your mind around at the beginning.

[01:11:57.070] - Brian Longhurst


[01:11:57.900] - Helen Reynolds

Especially with some of the things that are going on in the world at the moment. But let's not dive down that rabbit hole. Let's keep that one for another day. I'm not quite sure how long we've been talking, but people don't have forever to listen to my podcast.

[01:12:16.080] - Brian Longhurst

Well, it's a little more than an hour and a half.

[01:12:18.630] - Helen Reynolds

Oh, my gosh, it felt like ten minutes. Well, maybe a little more, but definitely not an hour and a half. Is there anything you'd like to add Brian, before we wrap up?

[01:12:28.820] - Brian Longhurst

The thing that I've been prompted to share at this point, because we really ought to be wrapping up is ...In about 1968 when I've been on this journey with Jesus. Personal journey with Jesus for about 18 months, something like that. And I was so enthusiastic and gung-ho for it all. The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth when the Earth is in such a muddle. Let's bring this show. Let's just get this show on the road. So I said to Jesus, why don't you just tell me the answer to the top ten questions in terms of importance for sorting out the mess of the world? Why don't you give me the answer to the top ten questions? And then we can just really get this show on the road. And he smiled patiently and lovingly and gently, and he said, well, it doesn't actually work quite like that. This is a growing process, and we have to grow one step at a time, one day at a time. Otherwise we'll get in a muddle. And part of our being in its expression, like our intellect will get ahead of itself and that will cause an imbalance, part of us will be up here and the other parts are down here struggling to catch up, and that's going to cause confusion.

[01:14:02.530] - Brian Longhurst

So we've got to grow one step at a time. So that's what's happening. And that's been happening, let's say, from the time of Jesus' incarnation through the last 2000 years. That is happening. We are like the caterpillars who have now gone into their Chrysalis and been reformulating themselves, where the molecular structure of the Caterpillar is dissolved by itself and it reforms itself within the Chrysalis as the butterfly. And that's where we're at now. We're in the Chrysalis, having almost completed the process. If I can interject a bit of linear time into that, we're just at the place of readiness for that Chrysalis to begin to crack open and the butterfly to emerge, soaring into the sunlight.

[01:15:09.170] - Helen Reynolds

I tell you what, if I was a listener now, I'd really be wanting to know about that linear time part. Are we talking about multiple lifetimes?

[01:15:20.390] - Brian Longhurst

Well, it can be all of those things or some of them. We have free will so we can awaken in this moment. If that is our desire and our will and our commitment. And if those things are steadfast enough, that can happen. And moving from the consciousness of linear time to beyond into a state of timelessness. But ultimately, linear time is something that humanity in taking a wrong path and ending up going downwards into outer darkness, we've made up. So time and eternity appear to be opposites. But one will gradually, as our awakening progresses, the one will become merged and part of the oneness. It's like Einstein said when asked about this and he said, time is a movable feast. I'm paraphrasing, but he said time is a movable feast. And if you put your hand on a hot stove, 1 minute will seem like an hour. But if you are in love with that beautiful woman and you get to spend an hour with her, it will feel like a minute, even though it's both different ways of perceiving. What linear time appears to be. A linear time is nothing to do with atomic clocks, which simply go tick tock.

[01:17:19.020] - Brian Longhurst

I've got an atomic clock here with a signal being transmitted from Germany, so it's 1 hour ahead of saying that it's 12:37, whereas it's 11:37 in Britain. And I've got another atomic clock in the living room, which comes from Greenwich, which is in London. So that's telling us the time on a ticktock basis. But linear time is what we want to make. It not what the clock tells us. So in this conversation, if we've been in the zone, as it were, then an hour and a half goes quickly and it doesn't seem like an hour and a half. If we were struggling, it would seem like two or 3 hours. But we've been on the same wavelength. We've been connecting. So it's gone spontaneously, effortlessly, smoothly, and Jesus said to a friend of ours, Steve, about 40 or more years ago, my peace is in atonement [at-one-ment]. Atonement is without effort. Now we all think we've got to strive and struggle and race and that our journey is one of progress by dint of our own, sweat of our brow, et cetera. But that's not atonement. That's trying to make things happen according to our limited understanding of them.

[01:18:51.900] - Helen Reynolds

And it's all about all that kind of living is based in fear, if we really dig down.

[01:18:57.810] - Brian Longhurst

And that's what gives us the appearance, the seeming experience of linear time, which is, if you like, governed by the attitude, "gosh look at the time. I've got to get so much done and time is running out. I've only got a few more years before I'm going to depart from this mortal coil and I won't get everything done." It's like in Alice in Wonderland where she encounters the white rabbit who's looking at his pocket watch and saying, and he's running. He's in a hurry. Look at the time. It's late and I'm late. And he's like this. He's in turmoil. And that's what humanity is like. I'm rushing. There's no rush. In eternity. How do we join with eternity? By stopping rushing. No more rushing. And simply allowing surrender. Accept and allow surrender our Earth mind, ego consciousness to back into the control of the Freeholder of this embodied state, which is our Christ Self, our higher Self, our real Self, whatever we want to call it. It is the Self that is not manifesting in the turmoil of this world, but simply looking on in a state of aquiescence. Until we ask, I could just keep on and on.  Forgive me.

[01:20:54.490] - Helen Reynolds

Well, we were trying to wrap up. Yes, it's always such a pleasure talking with you, Brian. And I'm so glad we've recorded our first conversation. I'm hoping there will be more.

[01:21:11.830] - Brian Longhurst

Yes, you can sign me on for it whenever you like.

[01:21:16.750] - Helen Reynolds

Thank you. Well, if you're listening and there's something you'd like, Brian, to answer or comment on or a specific topic, just let us know. Brian, I'll put the links to your website, which have all the what are your words?

[01:21:39.730] - Brian Longhurst

Diary of Christ Communicant,

[01:21:41.630] - Helen Reynolds

and the messages of encouragement and the details of your books and how to get in contact with you. They'll all be on the show notes page for this episode, which is @livetruetoyou.com so thank you very much, Brian, for joining me on the More Love Podcast. It's been an absolutely fabulous conversation. And for those listening, thank you. I have, too. And for those listening in to this conversation, I hope it's revealed more of the power, truth and reality of love, the real love, the unconditional love, and giving you greater confidence that your sensitivity to love isn't, in fact, a superpower worth loving.

[01:22:27.730] - Brian Longhurst

And if anyone wants to ask any questions, a lot of people are very shy and nervous about asking questions. But if they want to email me, my email address is on the website and it'll be on the show.

[01:22:43.370] - Helen Reynolds

I'll add it to the show notes page as well.

[01:22:46.390] - Brian Longhurst

Yes. And we can keep things going. And I have a forum page on the website, which I neglected for about five years because I was busy writing those books. But I've now just reactivated. So anyone who asks a pertinent question like Adrian with his depression, which is what started this, then I've posted that using disguise name so that I'm not betraying his privacy, then that's posted on the forum page, because the idea is to be helpful to other people who are experiencing whatever someone has written in about so they can read stuff that might be helpful to them as well.

[01:23:45.770] - Helen Reynolds

Yeah, it's a great resource.

[01:23:48.770] - Brian Longhurst


[01:23:50.030] - Helen Reynolds

Because none of our situations are as unique as we think they are when we're right in the thick of it.

[01:23:59.010] - Brian Longhurst

Sorry. What has astonished me is that when people write in or speak on Skype or anything and say, I've got this problem almost instantly is brought into my mind some quotes or a chapter from one of the seven books. So it's like I've written this vast as about 900,000 words in those seven.

[01:24:31.040] - Helen Reynolds


[01:24:32.910] - Brian Longhurst

So when they ask this question, the answer, which is already written and printed and published, I can just lift that and say, here's your answer. And that's what I did with Adrian. I shared with him chapter 44 from book three because there was a clue in his question about depression. And that chapter is actually entitled Returning to Right Minded Thinking. And so the message was all, it's like, God, he knows what we're going to ask and has provided the answer before we ask it. So I've written the answer before Adrian asks the question, and that saves a lot of time. If I can just copy and paste, I can continue doing that. So there's over 300 different answer check chat things in the form of a chapter, because there are over 300 chapters, 350 chapters or something in those seven books, and each one is focusing on a particular matter which is affecting humanity as it's experiencing itself at the present time. Amazing. I didn't know this was how it's going to happen, but it's just becoming to my awareness that was all part of the plan. And if that doesn't demonstrate that we are watched over and that the plan was formulated before we took a body and we come down to then implement it.

[01:26:26.010] - Brian Longhurst

But that can only happen if we ask for help, help from wise counsel and empowered help that can manipulate the stuff of dreams to their command and teach us how we also, just like Jesus 2000 years ago, can also remember how to manipulate the stuff of dreams to our command, which might be where there's some dreadful problem, apparently insoluble problem arising. The answer is actually available. But we got to ask, how am I going to resolve this? Please help. And then it will just the answer will manifest itself over however long, a few hours, a few days, a few weeks, months, whatever. And then we can look back and say, that was easy. Why did I make such a big deal about it? There was nothing to it, but I couldn't see that there was nothing to it because I was fearful, depressed, despairing. Whatever. So when we go into the stillness within, that's where the answers all lie. Okay. Thank you so much, Helen. I've loved every minute of this and I look forward to further connections between us.

[01:28:04.150] - Helen Reynolds

Oh, me too. Me too. Well, that's it for this episode. Thank you, Brian.

[01:28:13.120] - Brian Longhurst

Brilliant. My joy. My pleasure. Bless you take care and fare well.